A Testy Day In Cub Media Land
Written by wrigleyville   
Tuesday, 02 February 2010
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Things are getting a bit tense between the Chicago Tribune and some of the blogs that follow the Cubs - punctuated by an hours-long skirmish between the two sides over ethics in journalism, the role of bloggers versus journalists, and who is and is not an idiot and/or a liar.

As with any battle, it is useful to deconstruct what happened to determine what was done well and can be done better.

To recap: Things escalated quickly yesterday when Cubs beat reporter Paul Sullivan of the Tribune called Milton Bradley an "idiot" on Twitter.

A handful of blogs - including this one - objected and said that it was improper for Sullivan to say such a thing about a player he covers when, as a beat reporter, he is supposed to at least pretend to be objective. That's when things got ugly.

(click "read more" for full article)

Aisle424 took a shot back on Twitter, earning a ban from Sullivan's Twitter feed (joining wv23 and a few others on the list). Once banned, the incident turned into a naughtily titled post on Aisle424 that prompted an interesting discussion on the ethics of Sullivan's original Tweet and journalism and blogging in general.

Meanwhile, in a fit of curiosity, I emailed the Trib sports editor asking if it was proper for Sullivan to call Bradley an idiot in a public forum. The editor responded without answering, though strongly suggested that I was the idiot. That earned a followup post at wv23 - and a Tweet, which led the esteemed (Trib-owned) ChicagoNow community manager Jimmy Greenfield to call me a liar.

Got all that? Good, but there's more.

Another Cubs Blog insisted Sullivan is the actual liar, and the View From The Bleachers renewed its call to boycott the Tribune (judging by the continued decline in circulation at the Trib, it would seem the boycott is a remarkable success).

This afternoon, Aisle424 has decided they have had enough of the fighting and seems ready to live in a world without Paul Sullivan and his Twitter feed. We disagree and will continue to read, fight through the Twitter ban, and politely point out flaws in logic, common sense and basic decency.

We owe it to you the reader. We owe it to the children. And we owe it to Chicago. Because, as the Tribune once noted, we are one of the best Cubs blogs in the world.



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written by Aisle 424, February 02, 2010
Well, if it will help the children, maybe I can still make a Paul Sullivan crack here and there.
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written by wrigleyville, February 02, 2010
that's the spirit!
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written by melissa, February 02, 2010
It's no wonder that a trouble maker like yourself was banned from following Sully's twitter feed. Look at all the trouble you've caused. I'm just glad that more Trib Co hacks came forward to call you an idiot and a liar. (not that I agree) They set the record straight and made it clear that the Trib encourages all of their employees to be unprofessional, not just beat writers.
Melissa Is The Winner ...
written by wrigleyville, February 02, 2010
Comment of the Week.

Collect your prize at the door.
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written by The Hawk, February 03, 2010
Will you stop playing the victim?

You slander members of the media all over the country constantly. Anytime you're confronted with this, you retreat to your position of, "but I don't use any profanity or name call!". It comes across like a child saying his dog ate his homework.

On the internet, people like you insult others constantly with words like "disingenuous" or "nincompoop", like you're doing someone a favor against the likes of "f-ing idiot". Your intent is the same and you don't fool anyone. You're the blogging equivalent of a politician with talking points.

At this blog, you simply talk trash nonstop with virtually nothing positive to say whatsoever. On the Cubs, the only people you praise are Soriano and Zambrano, and that's only because you perceive heavy media and fan bias against the two. I praise almost all of the players for the good qualities they do have. Theriot has value and has since day one. Reed Johnson had value. Bob Howry had value. To you, they're all worthless idiots. And even worse, "white Cub fans like them", as if you're not a white, Cubs fan.

You slander and attack others first, Prigleyville. Keyword - "First". Accept it. When they fight back, you pretend you were being polite and are aghast from their replies like you're a Victorian era grandmother being confronted by a gangster rapper. Ironically, for such a sissy, you actually carry a bully's mentality. Bully others, then play victim. It's despicable. I bet you're abusive to any subordinates you've ever had under you at any job.

Profanity free just for you, prig. But contrary to your interests, loaded with truth.

Why did you keep my last comment up, big boy? I thought you delete comments from the big, bad Hawk. Were you afraid of the hypocrisy, what with the Trib watching? Your one prig shining moment. You didn't want anyone to see you act just like good ol' Sully, did you.
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written by TedG, February 03, 2010
This Hawk is a strange bird. It doesn't look like to me that anyone is being a victim here, or bullying. Looks like journalism criticism. That is allowed.

But I wouldn't take the criticism too hard from someone who doesn't know the difference between libel and slander (and Gaul and gall).
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written by The Hawk, February 03, 2010
On 'gaul', you're right, and thanks for the correction. On slander, you're splitting hairs. It's highly unlikely that Prigleyville relegates this part of his personality to the internet.

'Allowed' - Interesting word choice. I'll tell you what else is allowed. One is allowed to trash every journalist out there and then hypocritically act like an innocent victim anytime anyone responds in kind. One is also allowed to defend said hypocrite by pointing out one and a half spelling errors and attempting to change the subject.

But Ted, you don't really know the subject do you? Plus, you're not really TedG either, are you?

You think you're so cute in your petulance, like Prigleyville. In reference to 'gaul', you ACB/Prigleyville morons think you're on a big crusade, storming the Bastille of Chicago sports media. In reality, you're just a group of misguided morons in front of computers.

You know what else is 'allowed'? Knowing when you're wrong and admitting it. That's a character trait immune to the likes of you and your ilk. But, if you'd like, you can get back to the "Soriano should leadoff!" and "Theriot sucks!" motifs of this blog.
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written by Aisle 424, February 03, 2010
I don't understand why Hawk seems to have read every word this site has ever posted. I detest green beans, so I don't eat them at every meal and then complain about how green beans are the worst thing to ever exist on this planet.
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written by iowacub, February 03, 2010
The difference between Wrigleyville and the Trib is the fact that the Trib writers/editors are paid professionals. It is their JOB. This is not Wrigleyville's job. He asked a simple question to the editor, and instead of the the editor being the professional he is paid to be, like Sullivan, he instead, in a nicer tone, called Wrigleyville an idiot. This site is in no way the largest newspaper in the 3rd largest market in the US. This is a blog on the internet where maybe a few hundred people come by and read (don't know exact numbers)...The Trib on the other hand has a tower, owned a baseball team, and several large newspapers in other cities...this site here is definately no where near the Trib's league, yet Wrigleyville23 is the bully?? I think you got it a little backwards....
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written by wv, February 03, 2010
Thank you to those defending my honor by stressing my irrelevance. Seems about right.
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written by The Hawk, February 03, 2010
Aisle,

Quit while you're ahead with the 'read every word' bit, an expression I coined. Do I sometimes read this and ACB for kicks? Sure, in the same vein that you guys read BCB. But, do I need to be up-to-the-minute to know the themes you're beating into a dead horse? Absolutely not. Have things become more entertaining since the Trib is actually responding back? Yes.

And please, for the love of god, stop it with the pathetic argument, "If you don't like it, don't read it." Gee, do you think the same could be said about Prigleyville, yourself, and every other halfwit stuck in your crusade against the Trib?

Iowa Cub,

Whether or not the Trib is employing beat writers who live up to journalistic ethics standards is a completely separate issue from folks in glass houses throwing stones.

Prigleyville attacks most major media outlets he ever comes across, (not to mention the populations of every city representing a Cubs opponent). Now that one of them hasn't taken well to it, he's distraught. Well, he can deal with it. Meanwhile, the guy gets all bent out of shape anytime anyone presents an opposing argument to him.

He's a hypocrite and he himself knows it. Want proof? He's leaving my comments up. He would delete them in the past when the Trib wasn't watching. But now, he wants to show himself as tolerant of dissent and negative feedback to legitimize his critiques of Trib behavior. It's inconsistent BS. How can he hate on them for not taking well to his feedback when he does the same? That's a moral issue, not a journalistic standards issue.

Furthermore, your entire argument is based on this idea that Paul Sullivan is the single most biased, racist beat writer around. He was horrible to Milton Bradley from day one!

Well, from all accounts, so was Bradley. Could Sully have been more objective? Yes. Did other writers take exception to Bradley? Yes. Do Sully's articles warrant an all-out damnation of the Trib's objectivity? No.

You morons have decided that the Trib has broken some sort of sacred journalistic code in allowing Sully to cover Bradley in less than flattering terms. I haven't been thrilled with it either, telling the truth as I always do. But, it's not the evil, one-sided, vindictive affair you twinks are making it out to be. You're more upset that they simply don't care what you think.

To take from TedG up above, the Trib is allowed not to care. To take from Aisle up above, you don't have to read it.

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written by wv, February 03, 2010
all are welcome to comment here, as long as it is done appropriately.
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written by wv, February 03, 2010
As far as the substance of your criticisms, Hawk, I have actually been amused by the interaction with the Trib - and conceded in the original post that the guy's email was well done.

Look at the latest post here, though, and I felt bad about emailing him. That was an assish move on my part, and I've apologized.

And, yes, they don't care. Nor should they.
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written by The Hawk, February 03, 2010
Prigleyville,

Ironically, stop kissing up to the Trib. Stop showing faux-piety now that you think, "hey, they're actually watching!". In other words, stop acting like I'm welcome. It's phony.

I don't care about your 'latest post' or your apology. The crux of your blog is that you talk mad s**t about the non-Fox News media and populations of opposing teams' fans. It's not virtuous by any stretch of the imagination. However, it's not the worst thing in the world either. You talk s**t, plain and simple.

Now for TedG's sake, I'll make clear what bullying is. It's antagonizing another person, and when that person responds, pretending you're then the victim. Bullies are masters of victimhood. Prigleyville23 and his buddy MB21 at ACB (aka "The Disciples of Milton Bradley") bully, play victim, then apologize. Over and over again.

So Prigleyville (new nickname for you - PG13), keep doing what you do, but don't play victim. It's pathetic. That's the substance here. "Hey, he called me an idiot! He can't do that. Jerk. Oh wait! I felt bad about e-mailing him. That was an assish move on my part, and I've apologized." (sigh)

Now, get back to your regularly scheduled Glenn Beck viewing. Sully's distaste for Bradley is obviously far more damaging than Beck's misleading BS.
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written by shit, February 04, 2010
how can anyone even bother to read hawks posts, its like fucking joe biden in this bitch
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written by The Hawk, February 04, 2010
Now, 'cmon, PG13, live up to your own standards and remove the profane comment. Or is that your new standard of 'appropriate'?

And "s**t",

You just did read my post. You, like all the others, read every word I write so don't try it.

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